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Offline Adeyone

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RD250C June 1976 German model, Carburetor issue
« on: March 23, 2023, 07:56:28 PM »
Hello,

My RD250C will only run on two cylinders when choke is on, turn off the choke and she settles to run on left cylinder only.
New plugs, new HT coils etc already changed before getting it running but clearly IMHO its a carb issue. It is marked 1A2 00

This evening I have removed the right hand carb for the first time (although I think someone got there before me but not recently) and I think that the idle jet (pilot jet) has been mutilated badly. I was hoping to remove it, clean it etc and put it back. I only tried gently to remove it but could not get a good purchase with the screwdriver - on close inspection I could see why!

I hope it is viewable in the attached picture - I managed to slightly enlarge the idle jet by photo magic so if it looks odd to those of you with experience, that is why.

Is this damaged jet a hopeless situation or can it be resolved.

As usual in these 'do it up and save it' situations, the cost keeps spiralling!

I look forward to your replies, thanks.

Adrian







« Last Edit: March 28, 2023, 07:33:53 AM by Adeyone »
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Re: RD250C June 1976 German model, recent import awaiting registration!
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2023, 07:56:09 AM »
It is not hopeless but, it needs some skill to remove that pilot jet.  You can see the central hole and there is a fair bit of meat in the head of the jet where it will be tight in the threads. I would heat the carb body in the oven at 150 degrees C before trying any method to unscrew that jet.  There is no doubt that it is not easy but you can get things like that out.
Another option is to get a precision engineer to do it. Get a price for the job so that they don't spend a fortune playing with it!  Also, say you don't want the carb damaged!
1A2 carbs are not rare and you should be able to get a perfect one for around £75, or even a pair for £150 if you shop around and aren't in a rush. 

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Re: RD250C June 1976 German model, recent import awaiting registration!
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2023, 07:15:51 PM »
Thank you for your reply, it means all hope is not lost.

I’ve a good friend who has offered to try and extract that jet, I’ll suggest he pops it in the oven when his wife goes out!
This butchered idle jet was probably why this bike was laid up for some years?

I’d be prepared to buy a good used right hand carb so I have that option if we don’t succeed.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2023, 07:31:21 PM »
Yes, the heat will help.  It is awkward getting at those jets down the long uptake tube. As always, good tools will do the job, and working securely on a solid bench with a wood surface is key. Don't be tempted to hold it in a vice! 

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2023, 03:17:23 PM »
Well, I left my carb this morning with a good friend who quickly got the aforementioned jet out!
See picture and just look at the state of the idle jet!  I hope that we can get the orifice cleaned out, may have to give it a soak in an ultrasonic bath.
 I do have a new carb kit with new main and idle jet etc.

It took just under an hour although as you can see, he did put the carb in the vice!
He is a guy with great mechanical sympathy and understanding so I HOPE all is well. I trust him.
Fingers crossed and being positive!

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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2023, 09:36:30 PM »
Yes, Good that it is out.
The vice thing is because they can easily be fcuked if you are not used to working with them.  Your mate might have used some fibre jaws or bits of plywood to protect the carb though!
Now the important thing. Don't use carb kits!  Often, you can re-use everything that is in a used Mikuni, apart from the Main jet and the Pilot jet which should both be replaced with new gen Mikuni because you cant tell if the Main has been modified and the Pilot is small and often has corrosion or muck restricting it.  Check the Needle under a magnifying glass, if not worn or bent it is good if the right part. Check the Needle jet is clean and inspect the opening hole with the magnifying glass. If it is undamaged and the hole is round with no wear to make it egg shape, make sure it is the right number and that is good.  The Float needle should not have a wear ridge, a slight mark is OK, and they need the spring pin freeing-off and the brass body needs polishing inside with solvol autosol on the end of a wound rag.  The Air corrector feed passages from the floatbowl big nipple to the Needle jet emulsion tube needs to be checked clear with air, and "balls-out" treatment done if blocked.
The thing with carb kits is that they are not as accurate as the genuine Mikuni parts.  If your Needle, Needle jet and Float needle valve are good, you only need new Main and Pilot jets and they are about £6ea, so about £25 for a full new gen Mikuni set.
Overall, good carb rebuilds are not just fitting a new carb kit. They need careful inspection and cleaning, checking every single part is correct, cleaning all passages completely and sympathetic assembly with Mikuni parts.

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Re: RD250C June 1976 German model, recent import awaiting registration!
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2023, 10:27:16 PM »
Thanks for your good tips and advice.
I’ll follow your instructions with care as you say.

Great forum if we get great advice from those who have been there before!

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Adrian
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