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Title: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on April 24, 2014, 11:45:20 PM
Hi gurus....

I'm about to embark on a 'box of bits' UK 74 350 (matching numbers suggest a pre-A though)

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3538_zps6fe0877d.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3538_zps6fe0877d.jpg.html)

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3536_zps2a371165.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3536_zps2a371165.jpg.html)

My first question of doubtless many: is are there any reference pics of pre A rebuilds on the forum anywhere?

I'm not too anal about using correct fittings etc. but if I'm going to restore any parts I may as well know if they are right in the first place - in terms of differences with A/B models (and looking at some pictures there's loads of differences). 

Otherwise, be prepared for loads of pics and dumb questions  ::)

Alternatively, has anyone got an original pre A anywhere (preferably within 100 mile radius of Newmarket)  that I could visit and take some notes  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stukey on April 25, 2014, 12:03:07 AM
Didn't dave higgins (rdnuts) do one ?
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on April 25, 2014, 06:23:59 AM


Could you post (or email to Del) a photograph of your good self standing next to the pile of bits  ;)
This should be an interesting rebuild, a box of bits is never an easy start position
Does it have a disc front end

is are there any reference pics of pre A rebuilds on the forum anywhere?


Steve SFBrain has one on the go, although progress tends to be in fits and starts due to his work commitments http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=43792.0 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=43792.0)
Another Pre A WIP http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15] [url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15 (http://[url)[/url]
Common as muck these Pre As  :D :D

If you widen the search to include the A model, I can find the following (some of these look a tadge early for an A)
http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=37313.0 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=37313.0)
http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=24651.45 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=24651.45)
http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=30430.0 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=30430.0)
http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=22314.0 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=22314.0)
http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=29490.0 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=29490.0)
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Paul Dawkins on April 25, 2014, 07:36:57 AM
I have one and RD nuts has loads of them.

This is a Pre A and it should be the same colour as yours but I like blue.

(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab119/PaulDawkins/RD350A/100_3064.jpg) (http://s855.photobucket.com/user/PaulDawkins/media/RD350A/100_3064.jpg.html)

I hope your front mudguard is OK as these are very hard to find.

Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 25, 2014, 09:14:56 AM


Could you post (or email to Del) a photograph of your good self standing next to the pile of bits  ;)
This should be an interesting rebuild, a box of bits is never an easy start position
Does it have a disc front end

is are there any reference pics of pre A rebuilds on the forum anywhere?



Steve SFBrain has one on the go, although progress tends to be in fits and starts due to his work commitments [url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=43792.0[/url] ([url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=43792.0[/url])
Another Pre A WIP  [url=http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15] [url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15] [url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15 (http://[url=http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=44475.15)[/url]
Common as muck these Pre As  :D :D

If you widen the search to include the A model, I can find the following (some of these look a tadge early for an A)
[url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=37313.0[/url] ([url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=37313.0[/url])
[url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=24651.45[/url] ([url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=24651.45[/url])
[url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=30430.0[/url] ([url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=30430.0[/url])
[url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=22314.0[/url] ([url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=22314.0[/url])
[url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=29490.0[/url] ([url]http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=29490.0[/url])


Cheers for all this.

Yes it does have a disc front end and I'll endeavour to get a pic with the remains...
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 25, 2014, 09:20:27 AM
I have one and RD nuts has loads of them.


I hope your front mudguard is OK as these are very hard to find.


I've got two front mudguards, both need repair/rechrome.  One looks like yours and the other had a front number plate on it and the front part of the mudguard overhangs the stays more than the rear if that makes sense - hence my position of not knowing what's correct half the time  :D

For instance, these are my two mudguards, the bottom one had a front number plate attached:

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3876_zps4538806d.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3876_zps4538806d.jpg.html)

I've got two sets of engine bolts - which ones are correct?

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3873_zpsb089f840.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3873_zpsb089f840.jpg.html)

Two different side stands for locating spring:

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3877_zps2fa8d752.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3877_zps2fa8d752.jpg.html)

And  carbs (360-02) which have been painted but someone said they should be bare metal  ::)

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3878_zps3298135d.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3878_zps3298135d.jpg.html)

Switches - correct?  ??? (P.S. I've got sausage fingers so does anyone refurb these on the forum  :D)

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3875_zpsc3bdfae2.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3875_zpsc3bdfae2.jpg.html)

I'm actually doing a 'B' based cafe racer custom build at the moment so the resto will start when that one's finished (don't hold your breath...).  It's just that I might as well get the plating etc. done at the same time for both bikes and didn't want to end up throwing money at restoring/collecting parts that are wrong for the old one  :-\
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on April 25, 2014, 02:07:12 PM
My original unrestored late '72 built RD350 US spec has: the shorter front muddy with rounded head bolts in the stays, the non-flange engine bolts without numbers, the sidestand with the hole and all black painted carbs.   If you paint the carbs, you will need to use a heatproof paint like PJ1 or Plasticote BBQ black paint and, cure it carefully in the oven or, it will peel off.  ;) ???
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Paul Dawkins on April 25, 2014, 02:14:42 PM
The one with the number plate holes is a UK one.
I have one of them on mine now.
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 25, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Thanks guys, keep em coming...  8) 8) 8)

As well as restoring swichgear, is there anyone in the club who does the paintwork (tins) - if not any recommendations from members  ;)

Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: miciver on April 25, 2014, 04:23:27 PM
Med did mine and his work was excellent so I would recommend him.  ;)
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: twostrokelooney on April 25, 2014, 04:26:35 PM
Switches are correct, mine has black carbs (UK model).
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Paul Dawkins on April 25, 2014, 04:39:46 PM
Med on here is the man for paint if he is taking work at the moment, he gets so busy he sometimes has to turn work away.
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 25, 2014, 07:19:41 PM
Med did mine and his work was excellent so I would recommend him.  ;)

Thanks, I'll try my luck he's not too busy  ;)
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on November 14, 2014, 11:02:04 AM
Right, it's been a while since I posted anything on this, but I've had to build a new shed to carry out the resto  :o

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/Photo0215_zps9cf8b6f2.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/Photo0215_zps9cf8b6f2.jpg.html)

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z107/stevie747/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3637_zps4daad5c4.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/stevie747/media/Yamaha%20PUJ/PICT3637_zps4daad5c4.jpg.html)

Bike is now stripped (although it was pretty stripped when I got it) and I'm now in the process of sourcing parts and restoring the one's I've got that are restorable.

I'd like to make it clear at this point that my intention is to attempt to get this pile of shite back to as near original, in terms of appearance and finish, as possible/affordable.  I'm not an OCD bolt counter (there seems to be some good natured 'hostility' to this approach anyway on the forum...) and there'll no doubt be numerous repro items involved in the build, but as I've mentioned in various other posts when challenged why I'm trying source correct parts, is that it costs just as much to restore a wrong part than a correct one ;)

I might sell it when finished, but in reality I tend to get too attached to projects and end up keeping them - hence the new shed  :D

I'm actually doing a cafe racer/TR3 ish project in parallel (which I'll start a new topic on soon...) and (another  :o) 73 H2 750, so this one will be on the back burner for a while as I attempt to source/restore parts etc.

P.S. It's got UK mudguards, but the rear is close to being past restoration in terms of rust inside the double skin areas - I've put a request on the wanted section for one...  :o
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: ozmadman on November 14, 2014, 03:59:09 PM
Nice bike...good luck with the re-build and nice shed door too!!!

Paul
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on November 14, 2014, 05:47:49 PM

I'd like to make it clear at this point that my intention is to attempt to get this pile of shite back to as near original, in terms of appearance and finish, as possible/affordable.  I'm not an OCD bolt counter (there seems to be some good natured 'hostility' to this approach anyway on the forum...) and there'll no doubt be numerous repro items involved in the build, but as I've mentioned in various other posts when challenged why I'm trying source correct parts, is that it costs just as much to restore a wrong part than a correct one ;)

 Yes, there are some strange comments from some folk  ??? but, I think most members would respect your aim.  There should be room for all approaches to RD ownership in this club, IMO! :)

Good luck with your rebuild!

Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on November 14, 2014, 07:09:04 PM

It's your bike and your rebuild, I think it is bods claiming a "non standard" bike as "standard" that tends to rile the members of this forum

Please do continue to post updates as the Restoration section is my favourite section of the forum  :) I will look forward to your progress of both builds
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on December 02, 2014, 09:25:46 AM
Nice bike...good luck with the re-build and nice shed door too!!!

Paul

Got it out of a skip - the door that is.....  ;D
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: ozmadman on December 02, 2014, 01:06:31 PM
Nice bike...good luck with the re-build and nice shed door too!!!

Paul

Got it out of a skip - the door that is.....  ;D
Getting an RD out of the skip would have been an even better result  ;D ;D

Paul
Title: Re: Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 17, 2019, 06:05:06 PM
OK, game on  8)

It's been a while since I started this post - 5years... were does the time go  :o (building RD racer reps and H2's basically).

I've had the chrome, paint(ish) etc. done over the years as well as trying to source all the parts I need (there'll be more bits I'll need during the build I'm sure), so now the workshop is clear I can start with trying to get this rare little beauty back on the road  :)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Bofski25 on June 02, 2019, 06:33:37 PM
Hope you have loads of fun building it I always do
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 09, 2020, 09:02:53 AM
Engine nearly finished, PJME crank, new bearings/seals and 6th gear selector drum pawl.

Does converting it to 6 gears = 15/40 sprocket sizes?

Cheers

[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on March 09, 2020, 11:06:04 AM
Engine nearly finished, PJME crank, new bearings/seals and 6th gear selector drum pawl.

Does converting it to 6 gears = 15/40 sprocket sizes?

Cheers

Great Stevie!  The UK 5 speed bikes were the same gears in the Gbox as the US 6 speed, just that you couldn't get the top gear because of the pawl plate difference.  So, UK 5 speed had the higher sprocket ratio to have similar overall gearing in 5th as US in 6th.  So, you have 6th working and the US sprocket ratio is the one to use on a standard bike, 15/40.   Cheers

5port 
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 09, 2020, 01:15:38 PM
Engine nearly finished, PJME crank, new bearings/seals and 6th gear selector drum pawl.

Does converting it to 6 gears = 15/40 sprocket sizes?

Cheers

Great Stevie!  The UK 5 speed bikes were the same gears in the Gbox as the US 6 speed, just that you couldn't get the top gear because of the pawl plate difference.  So, UK 5 speed had the higher sprocket ratio to have similar overall gearing in 5th as US in 6th.  So, you have 6th working and the US sprocket ratio is the one to use on a standard bike, 15/40.   Cheers

5port
Thanks bud  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 09, 2020, 01:22:00 PM
Got most of the Chrome back, however I'm after a set of the round head bolts to mount the front mudguard stays.  I guess as they're NLA any spare ones are hard to find.  If anyone has a set for sale/swap (I've got quite a lot of spares that I'll be happy to trade) please let me know  :)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 09, 2020, 02:16:30 PM
Got most of the Chrome back, however I'm after a set of the round head bolts to mount the front mudguard stays.  I guess as they're NLA any spare ones are hard to find.  If anyone has a set for sale/swap (I've got quite a lot of spares that I'll be happy to trade) please let me know  :)

Just confirm exactly which bolts it is that you're after Stevie. If they're what I think they are, then it looks like CMSNL have them. Also, as they were/are used on at least 1400 models, then Yamaha might still do them.

Alan
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 10, 2020, 08:53:35 AM
Got most of the Chrome back, however I'm after a set of the round head bolts to mount the front mudguard stays.  I guess as they're NLA any spare ones are hard to find.  If anyone has a set for sale/swap (I've got quite a lot of spares that I'll be happy to trade) please let me know  :)

Just confirm exactly which bolts it is that you're after Stevie. If they're what I think they are, then it looks like CMSNL have them. Also, as they were/are used on at least 1400 models, then Yamaha might still do them.

Alan

Hi, I think you'll find they are all the superceded part number.  They are now flathead zinc plated bolts, don't ask me how I know...  :(
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 10, 2020, 08:57:36 AM
Got most of the Chrome back, however I'm after a set of the round head bolts to mount the front mudguard stays.  I guess as they're NLA any spare ones are hard to find.  If anyone has a set for sale/swap (I've got quite a lot of spares that I'll be happy to trade) please let me know  :)

Just confirm exactly which bolts it is that you're after Stevie. If they're what I think they are, then it looks like CMSNL have them. Also, as they were/are used on at least 1400 models, then Yamaha might still do them.

Alan

Hi, I think you'll find they are all the superceded part number.  They are now flathead zinc plated bolts, don't ask me how I know...  :(

And so it's the original ones that you'd like..........?! ;D
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 10, 2020, 09:09:50 AM
Got most of the Chrome back, however I'm after a set of the round head bolts to mount the front mudguard stays.  I guess as they're NLA any spare ones are hard to find.  If anyone has a set for sale/swap (I've got quite a lot of spares that I'll be happy to trade) please let me know  :)

Just confirm exactly which bolts it is that you're after Stevie. If they're what I think they are, then it looks like CMSNL have them. Also, as they were/are used on at least 1400 models, then Yamaha might still do them.

Alan

Hi, I think you'll find they are all the superceded part number.  They are now flathead zinc plated bolts, don't ask me how I know...  :(

And so it's the original ones that you'd like..........?! ;D

Yup... I've got some with 6's on but they were for 'B's' I think.

Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 10, 2020, 09:24:55 AM
Noticed your location - do you work at one of the racing stables? Gr8auntiepat's brother works for Saeed bin Suroor and prior to that was a pro jockey with David Elsworth.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 10, 2020, 11:45:34 AM
Noticed your location - do you work at one of the racing stables? Gr8auntiepat's brother works for Saeed bin Suroor and prior to that was a pro jockey with David Elsworth.

No I'm a local, only migrants work in the racing industry for minimum wage...
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 10, 2020, 01:07:36 PM
Noticed your location - do you work at one of the racing stables? Gr8auntiepat's brother works for Saeed bin Suroor and prior to that was a pro jockey with David Elsworth.

No I'm a local, only migrants work in the racing industry for minimum wage...

That's certainly true in Dubai from what I've heard.

Brother in law is very well treated - company car and nice company house.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 16, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
Front end almost done, anyone know which way round the top brake hose fits to the mastercylinder, it either bends inwards or outwards  ???

Anyone got a picture of a mastercylinder/hose then - I could probably work it out from there  ::)

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 28, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
Back end going in...

I didn't get any advice from my last question above - is this the right forum/section to be asking questions, or should I keep jumping over to 'tech questions' section  ???

IF so I guess this section is just for showing off your skills - which unfortunately I don't have that much of  ::)

It seems (RD) facebook is the place to go for all this, but if that is the case I'm a bit worried about the future of this forum, particularly for all the people like me who are basically paid up members in order to get access to all the expertise that is/was on here...

Anyway, onwards and hopefully upwards.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 28, 2020, 10:38:07 AM
Sorry Stevie.

Looking at the parts diagram, I would say in - this way it's going towards the brake light joint without any unnecessary bending.

A question is normally picked up wherever it is posted!

Alan
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 28, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Sorry Stevie.

Looking at the parts diagram, I would say in - this way it's going towards the brake light joint without any unnecessary bending.

A question is normally picked up wherever it is posted!

Alan
Blimey don't apologise bud, I was just wondering where the best place was for advice.  I'm building this from a box of bits and don't have a standard bike to use for reference.

P.S. I asked on facebook and apparently there is two types of top hose, one with a straight banjo fitting and one, like mine, with a curved one - the curved one bends inwards towards the mcyl...

[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 28, 2020, 10:54:10 AM
I wonder if the straight one might have been for the higher handlebar model? Just thinking out loud here!
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 28, 2020, 11:05:17 AM
I wonder if the straight one might have been for the higher handlebar model? Just thinking out loud here!

I got it from HVC and it was listed as 'high bar' so hopefully it's OK.  I've two more questions at the mo:

1, Are either of the chain adjuster bolts/nuts I've got correct, or a mixture of both?
2, Is the footrest bar the right way round in terms of the bends?

Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 28, 2020, 11:32:36 AM
Footpegs look correct (either that, or mine are wrong as well!).

My bolts are 45mm thread length, so the bolt on the left. However, the locking nut on the left looks too narrow, so maybe the one on the right.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 28, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Footpegs look correct (either that, or mine are wrong as well!).

My bolts are 45mm thread length, so the bolt on the left. However, the locking nut on the left looks too narrow, so maybe the one on the right.

Cheers, the shorter one has a 10mm head which is probably a clue.

Just checked the 200/350 resto on here and the 350 has the bar the other way round  ???

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 28, 2020, 12:33:43 PM
Sorry, my bad (as the Americans say) - I glanced at your photo and assumed that it was facing forwards.  ::) ::) ::)

Note to self, look more closely in future!
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 28, 2020, 01:07:25 PM
So mine are the wrong way round  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on March 28, 2020, 01:22:38 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 28, 2020, 01:29:21 PM
Glad I didn't ask after the engine had gone in  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on March 28, 2020, 04:44:05 PM


Back end going in...

I didn't get any advice from my last question above - is this the right forum/section to be asking questions, or should I keep jumping over to 'tech questions' section  ???
As you have correctly guessed, this section is for those of us who like watching a bike come back together (your bike is coming along nicely)
If you have a query about a fitting a particular widget, you will get a much better response on the Technical Help section. For some reason, this has always been the case on our Forum.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on March 28, 2020, 05:25:33 PM


Back end going in...

I didn't get any advice from my last question above - is this the right forum/section to be asking questions, or should I keep jumping over to 'tech questions' section  ???
As you have correctly guessed, this section is for those of us who like watching a bike come back together (your bike is coming along nicely)
If you have a query about a fitting a particular widget, you will get a much better response on the Technical Help section. For some reason, this has always been the case on our Forum.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 07, 2020, 06:06:16 PM
Back end going in...  ;D

Should there be a pad stuck on the mudguard for the battery box or summat... the parts book lists one  ???

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on April 07, 2020, 08:59:51 PM
Are you referring to the part 214-21268-00?
As that part is in the parts book, but I cannot actually see it on my bike

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 08, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
Are you referring to the part 214-21268-00?
As that part is in the parts book, but I cannot actually see it on my bike

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Yep, that's the one.  I've offered up the battery box and there's probably a 10mm gap between the bottom edge of it and the mudguard - so I guess that's where it goes?  Maybe it's made of the same stuff as the damper pads that stick to the airbox  ???

I've realised again that I'm asking questions in the wrong section... Should I transfer this resto over to the tech help section as it was a 'box of bits' and I will inevitably have further questions at each build stage  ::)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: nerradw on April 08, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
This might be what you are referring to in which case you could easily make one.
https://www.cmsnl.com/yamaha-ds7-1972-usa_model8399/seal_2142126800/#.Xo2_ANjTU0M (https://www.cmsnl.com/yamaha-ds7-1972-usa_model8399/seal_2142126800/#.Xo2_ANjTU0M)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on April 08, 2020, 10:02:58 PM



I've realised again that I'm asking questions in the wrong section... Should I transfer this resto over to the tech help section as it was a 'box of bits' and I will inevitably have further questions at each build stage  ::)

Hi Steve,
In my experience, it is better to ask individual questions under a relevant topic heading to get the best out of our Forum. Whilst it is more messy, it is more likely to attract attention of people who have experience of that particular problem.
A general heading or a long thread tends to be skipped by
Are you going to try and manufacture the missing part? If you do I hope you can avoid that horrible shade of green.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 09, 2020, 09:09:10 AM
This might be what you are referring to in which case you could easily make one.
https://www.cmsnl.com/yamaha-ds7-1972-usa_model8399/seal_2142126800/#.Xo2_ANjTU0M (https://www.cmsnl.com/yamaha-ds7-1972-usa_model8399/seal_2142126800/#.Xo2_ANjTU0M)

Yep, I'm happy to make one, just don't know where it goes  :D
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 09, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
It'd be great to have a pic like this showing the pad location, the other way round though  :)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: GR400 on April 09, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
My 350b is mostly original.  I can't see any pads on the mudguard but there are these on the back of the airbox to cushion the battery.  Is that what it is for?

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on April 09, 2020, 08:06:50 PM
It'd be great to have a pic like this showing the pad location, the other way round though  :)

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I know it was probably an original fitment, but you might want to consider whether or not you really want to fit it. I say that as it will likely soak up and retain anything that comes its way (condensation, water, acid) and that, in turn, will be left sitting against the mudguard. There are quite a few used rear mudguards on ebay that show more corrosion/wear at it's likely mounting point than elsewhere.

My RT2 would have had a similar type of material fitted between the petrol tank and the frame and someone on another Yamaha forum pointed out the drawback of having a water retentive material up against, in this case, steel.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stukey on April 10, 2020, 09:18:43 AM
It sits on the back of the guard where the battery box almost touches the mudguard presumably for when you are riding and the battery box moves about a bit due to being rubber mounted so as not to scratch chrome😏
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 10, 2020, 09:45:35 AM
All fair points, it was just that I'm building this using the early parts book as reference (I know there's a few errors in some of the layout diagrams tho...) as I don't have a standard bike/reference photo's to work with, and on the fender page I noticed this pad and thought I'd better check what it's for etc.

I've got a couple of spare airbox pads, so I might use one of those to protect the chrome.

Doubt it'll get much rain/acid exposure in the future  ;)

Regarding protecting chrome, I couldn't bring myself to bolt the rear light bracket directly to the muddy so sandwiched in some small orings...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 12, 2020, 09:04:04 AM
Used a battery box damper, looks OK and used strong double sided tape, so even if it gets damp, it shouldn't get through to the shiny stuff...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 12, 2020, 05:23:30 PM
Got the bottom end buttoned-up (first one I've done so hopefully I've not missed anything  :D )

No need to go into detail on engine build, it's all here in this this great article for any other novices: http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=25398.msg190892#msg190892 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=25398.msg190892#msg190892)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on April 13, 2020, 07:31:15 AM
It looks like you have had a busy weekend, it's great to see you progress the rebuild

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 13, 2020, 08:29:05 AM
It looks like you have had a busy weekend, it's great to see you progress the rebuild

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Yep and a hot one... finished it in the conservatory due to the great light level  8)

Cooler in there today for the rear light rewiring/sleeving job:

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 13, 2020, 05:12:00 PM
Sorted...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stukey on April 13, 2020, 05:48:08 PM
Where did you get that rear light/number plate unit? What bike is it off?  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 13, 2020, 06:09:31 PM
This

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on April 13, 2020, 09:11:09 PM


This


That is very impressive

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stukey on April 13, 2020, 10:10:40 PM
Sorry, the chrome is so shiney I was seeing the reflection of back of bracket in chrome. Thought you had found a new source😏 stupid me 🙁🙁🙁
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 14, 2020, 09:03:54 AM
Sorry, the chrome is so shiney I was seeing the reflection of back of bracket in chrome. Thought you had found a new source😏 stupid me 🙁🙁🙁

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 17, 2020, 10:31:42 AM
Sorting out the bits and pieces to bolt to frame under the tank and checked my NOS flasher unit and it has a different bracket to what was on the bike - it's only got one fixing point.  Checked the parts bible and the part number is correct and the pic in the diagram also looks like it's only got one screw hole.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on April 17, 2020, 10:45:51 AM
The smaller hole in the bracket shown in the second photo takes, I think, a small self tapping screw to hold the flasher unit in place - it is not a fixing point.

as far as I can see from your photos, both brackets shown have the hole for the M6 mounting screw.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 17, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
The smaller hole in the bracket shown in the second photo takes, I think, a small self tapping screw to hold the flasher unit in place - it is not a fixing point.

as far as I can see from your photos, both brackets shown have the hole for the M6 mounting screw.

The NOS one doesn't have the clamp/screw element, it only has a single fix point that doubles up as the clamp - I was just wondering if I've got a rocking horse part for an early 350 or the wrong part  :D
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 22, 2020, 06:07:43 PM
The smaller hole in the bracket shown in the second photo takes, I think, a small self tapping screw to hold the flasher unit in place - it is not a fixing point.

as far as I can see from your photos, both brackets shown have the hole for the M6 mounting screw.

The NOS one doesn't have the clamp/screw element, it only has a single fix point that doubles up as the clamp - I was just wondering if I've got a rocking horse part for an early 350 or the wrong part  :D

Arsebook says it's good to go... :-X

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on April 22, 2020, 06:41:31 PM
The smaller hole in the bracket shown in the second photo takes, I think, a small self tapping screw to hold the flasher unit in place - it is not a fixing point.

as far as I can see from your photos, both brackets shown have the hole for the M6 mounting screw.

The NOS one doesn't have the clamp/screw element, it only has a single fix point that doubles up as the clamp - I was just wondering if I've got a rocking horse part for an early 350 or the wrong part  :D

Arsebook says it's good to go... :-X

I'm tempted to agree - just an updated version of the same part(s).

There's a good used one with the small screw on fleabay, but I can't quite read what I expect is the part number of the bracket - it is printed on it.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: doggone1 on April 22, 2020, 07:27:45 PM
That nos stock one is the same as the one on my RD350b
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 23, 2020, 08:32:42 AM
Managed to get the motor in by myself, basically couldn't build it up anymore as it'd be too heavy - not sure any mates could help and still be 2m away...  :o

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on April 23, 2020, 09:12:18 AM
Managed to get the motor in by myself, basically couldn't build it up anymore as it'd be too heavy - not sure any mates could help and still be 2m away...  :o

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I'm not the only one with old number plates on my wall then?! :D ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 23, 2020, 09:33:25 AM
Managed to get the motor in by myself, basically couldn't build it up anymore as it'd be too heavy - not sure any mates could help and still be 2m away...  :o

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I'm not the only one with old number plates on my wall then?! :D ;)

Loads of plates all over the place, still got one, had it since 82...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on April 23, 2020, 09:45:55 AM
Managed to get the motor in by myself, basically couldn't build it up anymore as it'd be too heavy - not sure any mates could help and still be 2m away...  :o

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I'm not the only one with old number plates on my wall then?! :D ;)

Loads of plates all over the place, still got one, had it since 82...

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I do like the Suzuki "Ice Cream Van" Steve and have had a few of them myself over the years. Do the three gauges all still work ok?
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 23, 2020, 05:43:10 PM
Yep, everything worked the last time I checked, it had a full 'nut and bolter' a few years back  ;)

Anyway, back to the plot...

Checking my side stand bits and pieces, it looks like the spring I've got is too short, it's probably for the 'other' side stand set up (B?) with the extra plate etc.  My spring is roughly 125mm long, does anyone know the length of the spring I need  ???

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: magbuster on April 23, 2020, 07:39:14 PM
Mine is 140mm when fitted, us rd.

Had to lay on floor after 2 ciders.

Shorter than a h2 spring.😷
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 24, 2020, 09:07:43 AM
Mine is 140mm when fitted, us rd.

Had to lay on floor after 2 ciders.

Shorter than a h2 spring.😷

Cheers bud, one more thing for the shopping list then  ::)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on April 25, 2020, 06:18:39 PM
Well, I finally got the side stand mounted but it proved a bit tricky getting the bolt (17mm head) past the frame rail for some reason.  It turned out that all the various powder coated surfaces reduced the tolerances of the stand, bracket and bolt to not allow the bolt to pass the frame rail.  Rather than repeat what happened, it was discussed here: http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=60477.0 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=60477.0)

Worth remembering  ;)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 04, 2020, 03:37:13 PM
Got the clocks built up and fitted an NOS Tacho and bulb holder assy.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on May 04, 2020, 04:49:30 PM
Very nice Steve!
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 04, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
More rocking horse...

Rechromed OEM indicators  :o

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on May 04, 2020, 05:27:38 PM
Ooh shiny

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 05, 2020, 04:50:59 PM
Got to find some glue to stick my NOS cover decal on, I thought they'd been self adhesive  :(

Anyway, love the misspelt 'kick stater' in the casting  :D

BTW, does the 350 oil pump have any specific markings to differentiate it from a 250 version  ???

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: doggone1 on May 05, 2020, 08:02:03 PM
Never noticed the kick stater before your doing a lovely job there what paint did you use in the end will have a look at mine in the morning see if its the same.
This should help identify your pump.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on May 05, 2020, 08:05:54 PM
The nylon gear has a part number, the pulley has a number but the only real way to tell the pump and worm is by counting teeth or comparing. The 350B has a different pump and they corrected the spelling mistake soon as they noticed it...
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: doggone1 on May 05, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
I did stick my decals on with double sided tape the thin clear stuff not sure how they will hold I only did it as a trial but seem to stick well I think they would be even better if I stuck one to the decal and one on the casing then stuck them together the other thing is trimfix but you would need to mask it up well.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 06, 2020, 08:26:19 AM
The nylon gear has a part number, the pulley has a number but the only real way to tell the pump and worm is by counting teeth or comparing. The 350B has a different pump and they corrected the spelling mistake soon as they noticed it...

Cheers, I assume the spelling mistake was on early cases then?



Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 06, 2020, 08:39:18 AM
Never noticed the kick stater before your doing a lovely job there what paint did you use in the end will have a look at mine in the morning see if its the same.
This should help identify your pump.

Cheers for the info on the pumps  :)

I used Plastikote BBQ paint, but had to find some old samples as the current product is now Matt Black instead of shiny.  Plastikote was bought out by a Dutch company last year and they changed the recipe  ::)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 06, 2020, 08:59:50 AM
More paint... I might not have enough Halfords Satin Black left to finish these, hopefully they'll re-open soon.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: GR400 on May 06, 2020, 09:09:30 AM
If Halfords a no-go, I got some U-Pol satin black off ebay a couple of weeks ago.  Came pretty quickly.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 06, 2020, 09:21:52 AM
If Halfords a no-go, I got some U-Pol satin black off ebay a couple of weeks ago.  Came pretty quickly.

Cheers, its just that I've used Halfords for all the satin stuff so far on the bike so would like to keep it matched if possible.  I've tried a couple of alternatives in the past and they can be a bit different in terms of finish. Got half a can left so hopefully that's enough for now.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 09, 2020, 08:39:29 AM
Got the switches back to pretty good nick, cocktail stick and some thinned enamel paint sorted the red bits  ;)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 14, 2020, 08:15:00 AM
Got the battery box painted with the last drops  :D

Luckily I had some replated yellow stuff in stock to build the box up, so looking good to go now.  The reg/rec seemed to test OK using my rudimentary multimeter skills...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 10, 2020, 03:38:36 PM
After waiting a while for a few parts the motor is nearly finished and carbs are hopefully good to go...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 11, 2020, 08:50:31 AM
Do the cable routes look OK or should I ask this in the Tech section  ???

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on July 11, 2020, 05:48:20 PM
They look good to me, but if you want anyone else to comment a post on the Tech Section might help.
Why does no one comment in here? Guys are viewing the posts, but not replying!

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on July 11, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
Steve

Do you have a copy of the wire and cable routing diagram? I have emailed a few out, so can't remember all recipients!

If you do want one, pm me your email address and I'll wing one over.

Alan
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 12, 2020, 09:49:56 AM
They look good to me, but if you want anyone else to comment a post on the Tech Section might help.
Why does no one comment in here? Guys are viewing the posts, but not replying!

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I guess this section is now about experts showing-off their skills rather than it being interactive.  Given I'm not an expert and have never built a standard RD before and therefore need some guidance in finishing it, the whole story should be moved over to the tech section.  I'll stop doing any more posts on here and just put a pic up when it's (hopefully) finished...
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: GAZZATT2 on July 12, 2020, 10:53:34 AM
They look good to me, but if you want anyone else to comment a post on the Tech Section might help.
Why does no one comment in here? Guys are viewing the posts, but not replying!

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I guess this section is now about experts showing-off their skills rather than it being interactive.  Given I'm not an expert and have never built a standard RD before and therefore need some guidance in finishing it, the whole story should be moved over to the tech section.  I'll stop doing any more posts on here and just put a pic up when it's (hopefully) finished...
Keep posting updates here
technical questions will get a better response in the tech help section
have you downloaded the technical manuals from the website ?
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on July 12, 2020, 11:21:31 AM
They look good to me, but if you want anyone else to comment a post on the Tech Section might help.
Why does no one comment in here? Guys are viewing the posts, but not replying!

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I guess this section is now about experts showing-off their skills rather than it being interactive.  Given I'm not an expert and have never built a standard RD before and therefore need some guidance in finishing it, the whole story should be moved over to the tech section.  I'll stop doing any more posts on here and just put a pic up when it's (hopefully) finished...

Hi Stevie,  Keep posting!   :)  I think most of us are admiring your work.  :)  As for tech advice here, you will get it but, it may take time.  Also, most of us will have to refer to the tech manuals to be precise about many details and, we don't want to get it wrong!   :D  Cheers

5port
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on July 12, 2020, 11:27:37 AM
BTW, without referring, I think your cable runs look pretty good.  :)  I always try hard to get it right on the standard bikes.  However, on occasion, a cable can be awkward in the standard place, maybe a problem with wrong length etc, and I have used non-standard route.  Certainly, I won't stick with a cable run that gets kinked or trapped.  Cheers

5port
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: davegsx on July 12, 2020, 01:15:23 PM
been reading the whole thread, keep the updates coming, i'm a long way behind you with my box of bits restro and i am finding this a great help in my build.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on July 12, 2020, 05:04:50 PM


  I'll stop doing any more posts on here and just put a pic up when it's (hopefully) finished...
Please do keep posting your updates.
If you look at the number of "views" people are popping in here to read your updates, sadly not many are replying, but they must be interested enough to keep returning


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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 12, 2020, 05:58:27 PM
OK everyone thanks for the feedback, I'll keep going then and try to limit my questions...  ;D

My original resto diary project deffo had more interaction, but I guess customs are more exciting  ::)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 15, 2020, 10:39:59 AM
Bit of a panic as I couldn't find the angled brackets for the front number plate that got chromed a few years ago, I put them somewhere safe....
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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 15, 2020, 04:03:42 PM
Test fitted the front muddy OK

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 22, 2020, 05:56:35 PM
Thought I'd re-fit the re-chromed cap today and soon realised that modern paint and chrome are a bit thicker than back in the day...  ::)  Filing back the paint etc. to get all the gubbins to fit was a bit scary, one slip of a file and...  :o

It took feckin ages  :D

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on July 22, 2020, 06:46:02 PM
You wouldn't want to be Maryann With The Shaking Hand then!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on July 22, 2020, 07:17:55 PM
It's worthwhile mentioning here, you have checked the breather hole in the petrol cap seal?

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: GR400 on July 22, 2020, 09:30:55 PM
Finished for the Club rally next month?  :)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 23, 2020, 10:08:31 AM
It's worthwhile mentioning here, you have checked the breather hole in the petrol cap seal?

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Deffo worth mentioning bud, I'm pretty much sure I punched a hole in the seal when I fitted the new kit ages ago  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 23, 2020, 10:09:46 AM
Finished for the Club rally next month?  :)

Sorry, no chance... I'm still searching for a few bits and pieces to finish the jigsaw  ::)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on July 23, 2020, 10:19:00 AM
Finished for the Club rally next month?  :)

Sorry, no chance... I'm still searching for a few bits and pieces to finish the jigsaw  ::)

Don't forget to post here what you want Steve, or bump an old thread if you've asked previously. We're always finding forgotten parts in our sheds, or accumulating new, unwanted stuff (or maybe that's just me!).
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on July 24, 2020, 09:03:26 AM
Finished for the Club rally next month?  :)

Sorry, no chance... I'm still searching for a few bits and pieces to finish the jigsaw  ::)

Don't forget to post here what you want Steve, or bump an old thread if you've asked previously. We're always finding forgotten parts in our sheds, or accumulating new, unwanted stuff (or maybe that's just me!).

I think I've put about 4 or 5 requests in the 'wanted' section during the build and have had no responses on any of them  :D

I respect the RD parts hoarders having a dilemma when it comes to letting go of their 'jewels', particularly when they don't need the money.  I guess it helps if you're in the club inner sanctum, where most things happen under the radar in terms of trading, but unfortunately I'm not...  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on July 24, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
Hi Stevie!  I don't expect anybody to give-up/sell parts that they may need.  :)  Also, I don't think there is a secret level here.  Sure, there are some members that are friends and they probably cooperate/deal on parts more but, that is the way.  In the past, I have asked in the wanted section and have bought a few items through that.  I have also sold a couple of items, including a 400C/D engine that I was happy to sell on to a member.  A couple of other members have given me part used items-thanks!   :)
Overall, some of the rare bits are..rare!  I guess that is it really?  :-\
Keep at the rebuild, and "bump" your wanted posts!  Cheers 

5port     
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on July 24, 2020, 09:49:11 AM
Finished for the Club rally next month?  :)

Sorry, no chance... I'm still searching for a few bits and pieces to finish the jigsaw  ::)

Don't forget to post here what you want Steve, or bump an old thread if you've asked previously. We're always finding forgotten parts in our sheds, or accumulating new, unwanted stuff (or maybe that's just me!).

I think I've put about 4 or 5 requests in the 'wanted' section during the build and have had no responses on any of them  :D

I respect the RD parts hoarders having a dilemma when it comes to letting go of their 'jewels', particularly when they don't need the money.  I guess it helps if you're in the club inner sanctum, where most things happen under the radar in terms of trading, but unfortunately I'm not...  ;)

Just keep on bumping (didn't Samantha Bond's Miss Moneypenny say something like that to James Bond? Anyway...), as there are new members joining and old members buying job lots of new stock all the time. I've just taken delivery of a box of stuff from the US, just for a few parts that I needed - the rest will be put on here or fleabay.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: GR400 on July 24, 2020, 10:01:29 AM
Parts for these bikes seem to be getting more elusive all the time, particularly the unique to UK and Europe stuff that hasn't been preserved in dry US states.  But hang in there, that bike is looking very special, will be one of the best 350's around here when done  :)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on July 24, 2020, 01:00:33 PM
Yep, this is a very comprehensive thread for a early Uk bike. Dave H has obviously done a few but none documented like this.
I have a couple to get done ‘in the future’ so will be a great reference when needed.

As for parts...it really is what it is....no Amazon prime for RD...need to manage expectations accordingly and use substitutes until originals are found. It’s part of the ‘journey’....
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 05, 2020, 04:43:14 PM
Apparently all these gubbins...

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Get stuffed down here...  :o

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on August 05, 2020, 06:02:36 PM
Yes,
Battery box in first but you need your oil filler tube out if the way. Then airbox, then fit y boot to it ..
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 05, 2020, 06:25:47 PM
Yes,
Battery box in first but you need your oil filler tube out if the way. Then airbox, then fit y boot to it ..

Cheers, I thought it was the otherway round  ::)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 05, 2020, 06:51:42 PM
BTW, the photo was missing the airbox lid strap - coz I didn't have one. 

I tried looking for one and everyone (Yambits, Fowlers, CMSL etc.) listed it NLA  :(

I posted for one in the 'wanted' section, or an alternative that will fit, and within a hour Gr8 sent a link to (the last) one listed on German ebay - sorted, what a star  :)

Maybe I should modify my earlier comment on success in searching...  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Adeyone on August 07, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
Yambits DO list the air box strap:RD350 Air Box Strap [FRP034] at £6.99 inc VAT + P & P.
Its a pity they don't have air box lids!

As usual, it makes sense to order spares in batches, not individually so as to save on P & P

Ady
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 07, 2020, 04:46:08 PM
Yambits DO list the air box strap:RD350 Air Box Strap [FRP034] at £6.99 inc VAT + P & P.
Its a pity they don't have air box lids!

As usual, it makes sense to order spares in batches, not individually so as to save on P & P

Ady


Blimey... I tried the Yambits search and scrolled through the pages and couldn't find one  ::)

Anyway I guess a NOS one will actually fit  :D
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on August 07, 2020, 10:10:42 PM
Yambits DO list the air box strap:RD350 Air Box Strap [FRP034] at £6.99 inc VAT + P & P.
Its a pity they don't have air box lids!

As usual, it makes sense to order spares in batches, not individually so as to save on P & P

Ady


Blimey... I tried the Yambits search and scrolled through the pages and couldn't find one  ::)

Anyway I guess a NOS one will actually fit  :D
Plus you get the oE part number ticket to put in the build scrapbook !
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 09, 2020, 09:33:27 AM


Blimey... I tried the Yambits search and scrolled through the pages and couldn't find one  ::)

Anyway I guess a NOS one will actually fit  :D
Plus you get the oE part number ticket to put in the build scrapbook !
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Not really bothered about that... oops :-X

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 15, 2020, 05:38:16 PM
Build has hit another wall, discovered the oil tank was partially blocked when trying to bleed/test the pump >:(

I didn't know it had an internal gauze filter in it  :o

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Anyone interested in the story:  https://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=61457.0 (https://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=61457.0)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 25, 2020, 02:43:43 PM
The wall has just got taller  :(

I've sorted the tank outflow, which then allowed me to test my oil pump(s).

To cut a bloody long story short, read this if you haven't already: http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=61497.0 (http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=61497.0)

Not a normal post...  ::)

So my pump(s) are off to the guru for rebuilding but it'll at least bonfire night until I get to the front of the queue, so hopefully the rest of the build will be finished by then. 

I might end up testing the engine with pre-mix if I get too bored  :'(
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on August 28, 2020, 01:59:55 PM
Not long to go now (except we might be waiting for the oil pump )

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 31, 2020, 06:05:49 PM
Not long to go now (except we might be waiting for the oil pump )

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Don't hold your breath bud, every time I open a door there's two more behind it  :D

At least it's starting to look more like a bike...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 25, 2020, 12:04:10 PM
Front end complete now - hopefully.  As I don't have a reference bike to work from please advise if something doesn't look right, apart from the mirrors  :D

e.g. should the speedo cable go inside the mudguard stay etc.

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And the caps for the bar clamps and clocks.  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 28, 2020, 11:43:40 AM
Thanks for all the advice  :D :D :D

Pipes are on, hopefully they are the right ones, I guess arsebook would be the best place to ask  ::)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on September 28, 2020, 06:04:06 PM
Front end complete now - hopefully.  As I don't have a reference bike to work from please advise if something doesn't look right, apart from the mirrors  :D

e.g. should the speedo cable go inside the mudguard stay etc.

And the caps for the bar clamps and clocks.  ;)

Speedo cable would be on the tyre if it was on the other side.

Biggest obvious other thing for me is the yambits clock facia infill. Once you know they should have chrome outlines on the Jewell lights the white lines just stand out. You see it striating away as it’s front and centre..
Most wont notice but this bike deserves to be recognised for what it is...a real reference build.
NOS ones are so rare either, so worth keep an eye out.

imsden indicators?
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on September 28, 2020, 06:05:16 PM
Pipes have the correct numbers the only variation is that some of the very early ones had no numbers.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 28, 2020, 07:22:34 PM
Thanks Betty...  ;)

As explained at the outset, I'm not worried about making a museum piece, just if I have to restore (painting, plating etc.) summat I might as well do it to a correct bit.

If I go fishing for a NOS facia I might have to get original mirrors  :o

All I'm after is some guidance from the guru's who've got these early UK babies...  8)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on September 28, 2020, 09:57:37 PM
Ok no worries.
Think Dave H is really the best and closet to you, regards the 73.
I have come to the conclusion that as a UK bike they are rarer than the 521 350B  :o
Certainly less of them on the active scene.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 02, 2020, 03:40:27 PM
Another attempt to check if everything looks OK, backend this time...  ;)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on October 02, 2020, 05:18:52 PM
No locknut on the Kickstarter bolt, no bolt in the side panel..
But overall just wish it was in my garage!
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 02, 2020, 05:22:31 PM
Front end complete now - hopefully.  As I don't have a reference bike to work from please advise if something doesn't look right, apart from the mirrors  :D

e.g. should the speedo cable go inside the mudguard stay etc.

And the caps for the bar clamps and clocks.  ;)

Speedo cable would be on the tyre if it was on the other side.

Biggest obvious other thing for me is the yambits clock facia infill. Once you know they should have chrome outlines on the Jewell lights the white lines just stand out. You see it striating away as it’s front and centre..
Most wont notice but this bike deserves to be recognised for what it is...a real reference build.
NOS ones are so rare either, so worth keep an eye out.

imsden indicators?

Yep re-chromed OEM's.  Does the facia have a separate part number, my book has it as part of the clock surround bracket  ???
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 02, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
No locknut on the Kickstarter bolt, no bolt in the side panel..
But overall just wish it was in my garage!

 ;D  I didn't realise the kickstart had a lock nut, cheers - hence my post  ;) - my parts book doesn't show one.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 02, 2020, 06:34:10 PM
Another question, my parts book shows the side panel is fixed only by a screw and plain washer.  Yambits sell a fixing kit that includes a rubber grommet.  Was this for later models  ???
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on October 02, 2020, 07:46:01 PM
It’s quite possible the 73 didn’t have a rubber washer but later models defo did and logic suggests a resilient mount is better than plain bolt and washer.
So I’d put the rubber there even if it’s not strictly on the 73...
The ds7 had metal panels so clear why they might not have originally had one.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on October 02, 2020, 07:48:20 PM
No locknut on the Kickstarter bolt, no bolt in the side panel..
But overall just wish it was in my garage!

 ;D  I didn't realise the kickstart had a lock nut, cheers - hence my post  ;) - my parts book doesn't show one.

Maybe not there on parts list or even originally ...but if there’s space on the correct bolt to put one...without it there’s only spring force and stiction stoping it from wriggling out.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on October 02, 2020, 10:53:46 PM
Yep, Kickstart shown with no springwasher , and never a nut.   ::)

5port
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Tjtalan on October 02, 2020, 11:31:04 PM
Beautiful!


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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on October 02, 2020, 11:56:33 PM
Without a rubber grommet the side panel may crack

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 05, 2020, 09:41:35 AM
In summary then:

The kickstart bolt doesn't have a lock nut (the rear of the boss is curved so it wouldn't look right anyway) and doesn't have, or need, a spring washer as the boss itself provides 'the lock' when it's tightened up.  I think the fact that the bolt I've used  is a bit too long (it's 35mm, the book says 30mm) makes it look wrong - it's easier to shorten one than lengthen it  ;D

Although the side panel doesn't have a mounting grommet I'll use one anyway to protect the paint etc.

Cheers,  :)

P.S. Does the clocks facia plate have a part number  ???
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 07, 2020, 11:12:04 AM
No worries, I'll ask elsewhere.

I'll try another question... just looked at the rear of the bike and noticed the pipes aren't equally spaced.  Assuming the frame/swinging arm are OK, it's likely one of the rear footrest hangers is bent.  I've tried a spare r/h hanger and it looked the same, so maybe the l/h is bent out a bit  ???

Before I start bending anything, could anyone with one of these advise what the normal gap (from the tyre/rim) is per side please  :)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: betty foRD on October 07, 2020, 12:03:32 PM
Re earlier...don’t think there is a Pt. No. just for the facia decal. Normally already fitted to the bracket. David James had a few a while back but seems nothing out there at the mo.

As for pipes...as you surmise, there’s a lot of things done by the pillion bracket and after all these years....not one or the lugs they fix to is likely to be as made...and even if they were who knows what the tolerances were...

So trying to establish factory offset from the rim is going to be tricky.
For aesthetics, they should be symmetrical and functionally they need to clear the swing arm.  Logic would suggest they are either parallel or toe out at the back. Sorry can’t add more than that.

Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 07, 2020, 12:39:15 PM
Re earlier...don’t think there is a Pt. No. just for the facia decal. Normally already fitted to the bracket. David James had a few a while back but seems nothing out there at the mo.

As for pipes...as you surmise, there’s a lot of things done by the pillion bracket and after all these years....not one or the lugs they fix to is likely to be as made...and even if they were who knows what the tolerances were...

So trying to establish factory offset from the rim is going to be tricky.
For aesthetics, they should be symmetrical and functionally they need to clear the swing arm.  Logic would suggest they are either parallel or toe out at the back. Sorry can’t add more than that.


Cheers, it wasn't hard to put a ruler across, through the wheel, to compare the gaps, by looking down from above.  Hopefully someone has a straight one out there in a shed, and a ruler...  :D
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: GR400 on October 07, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
Not much help at all because mine currently has period Allspeeds on it, but I just took a look and I have the opposite, on mine the right side sits an inch or so farther out from the centre line than the left.  I'll be interested to see where you end up and if I need to straighten anything.
 
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on October 07, 2020, 07:17:17 PM

I appreciate it isn't much help as my bike has expansions, but the left side expansion is closer to the wheel than the right
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 07, 2020, 07:53:48 PM

I appreciate it isn't much help as my bike has expansions, but the left side expansion is closer to the wheel than the right

Maybe my left side needs bending in then  ???
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 14, 2020, 09:16:11 AM
I wonder how many people following this journey have a standard 250/350 in the shed...  ???
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: mts on October 14, 2020, 12:30:01 PM

you gotta say those early 70s colours were just gorgeous 

had a look round dave H  ( rd nuts ) collection a few times and its like being in a sweet shop  just beautiful color everywhere  :D
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on October 15, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Re earlier...don’t think there is a Pt. No. just for the facia decal. Normally already fitted to the bracket. David James had a few a while back but seems nothing out there at the mo.

As for pipes...as you surmise, there’s a lot of things done by the pillion bracket and after all these years....not one or the lugs they fix to is likely to be as made...and even if they were who knows what the tolerances were...

So trying to establish factory offset from the rim is going to be tricky.
For aesthetics, they should be symmetrical and functionally they need to clear the swing arm.  Logic would suggest they are either parallel or toe out at the back. Sorry can’t add more than that.


Hi Stevie,   I tend to judge them by the position of the chain adjuster to the pipe and the cut-outs.  On different models I have got pipes/brackets that must be bent but, you can't see it!
Some will space out with various washers on the brackets.
IMO, you can also have bent swinger and, possibly wheel built with incorrect offset, or even incorrect spacers.  ::)
Cheers

5port 


Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 15, 2020, 07:04:58 PM
I'm fairly sure the swinging arm and wheel/spacers are OK as they match other spares I have.

Anyway, I posted the same question last week on arsebook and it took less than a hour for someone to respond and suggest the LH side was the likely problem...

I had a spare L/H hanger that looked a bit straighter than this one:

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But unlike the R/H one, to swap this over requires the whole back end to come out coz the swinging arm spindle traps it.  It's probably possible, if you have a spare swinging arm spindle or equivalent, to keep the back end in place by tapping the current spindle out with it from the opposite side though.

But as I haven't I had a go and trying to straighten it a bit, and bending it inwards will bring the pipes more into line.  Used a half metre threaded bar as a lever and a pro, very hot, hairdrier (the missus has a Salon) but hopefully not too hot for the powder coat.

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And after some sweat, they look a bit normal...  ;)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on October 15, 2020, 07:17:13 PM

Well done that Man!
It's this sort of attention to detail that makes this such a great Restoration thread.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on October 17, 2020, 09:20:06 AM
That's about all I can do now until I reach the front of the oil pump refurb queue.

I don't want to fit the carbs and underseat gubbins until I get the pump sorted  :(

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: GR400 on October 17, 2020, 11:21:05 AM
Looking very lovely  :)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: adrian1024 on October 17, 2020, 01:42:24 PM
Apart from the motorcycle, which looks great. I would like to have such a comfortable place to work with a motorcycle :)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: magbuster on November 03, 2020, 09:45:34 PM
Nice bike, looking good.

Grass is alright too.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on February 26, 2021, 04:08:46 PM
Finally got my pump(s) back from the resto guru, they look NOS  :o

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Can't quite finish the bike yet as the workshop is stuffed with gardening stuff as the shed is being demolished...  :(
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: [Arrow] on February 26, 2021, 05:22:38 PM
Glad you're pleased with them Steve. Sorry they took so long.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on February 26, 2021, 06:40:33 PM
"Shed demolished"!  Sounds bad!  ???

5port
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on February 26, 2021, 07:18:33 PM
Glad you're pleased with them Steve. Sorry they took so long.

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No worries bud, it was the winter  :D
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on February 26, 2021, 07:20:59 PM
"Shed demolished"!  Sounds bad!  ???

5port

The garden shed is 40 years old and was slowly demolishing itself  ;D
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Motty on February 26, 2021, 09:35:20 PM
I think your photograph should be labelled ex-shed
There certainly isn't much left!

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: Gr8uncleal on February 27, 2021, 08:33:27 AM
That looks like it might be the right size for a golf driving bay! A bit of scaffold tubing, some archery net (scaffold net is too weak!  :o :o :o) and a mat and Bob's your aunt's husband!  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on May 04, 2021, 06:34:48 PM
Well it's up... Once I get it fitted out and clear out the workshop, hopefully we'll begin the final chapter  ::)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on May 04, 2021, 07:42:44 PM
Good Shed!   :)

5port
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 13, 2021, 10:56:32 AM
Pump and carbs fitted, close to test starting it  :o

Going to set up an aux fuel tank with some pre-mix in to be able to prime up the oil system (if it starts...) and not fitting the airbox etc. until I know it runs and it's also easier to balance the carbs without the boot on  ;)

There's hundreds of things that could cause it not to start given the motor, points ignition etc. have all been built from scratch (first time for me) but it least it's got some sparks  8)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: 5port on August 13, 2021, 02:05:53 PM
Looking great Stevie!  :)
My own 350 was reluctant to run well without the airbox, filter and lid fitted.  That with all standard, it needed that bit of restriction to get the mixture right. 
Cheers

5port
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 13, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
Looking great Stevie!  :)
My own 350 was reluctant to run well without the airbox, filter and lid fitted.  That with all standard, it needed that bit of restriction to get the mixture right. 
Cheers

5port

Cheers bud, I only want to know whether it actually starts-up for now, not too worried about how it runs, hopefully it does enough to prime the oil system.  It's just that I don't really want to take it all to bits again if it doesn't run  ::)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 16, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
2nd kick  :o

Looks like the oil system is working OK, cheers Gary for the refurb(s)  ;)

There's a quick vid of it on RD arse book.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on August 25, 2021, 12:15:23 PM
Betty said that this goes in after the battery box, it looks to me the other way round given it has to be slid forwards onto the frame mountings...  ???

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 01, 2021, 03:44:55 PM
I think it's the other way round, so I've got the airbox (and carbs) fitted and it looks like the battery box will simply drop down behind it  ???

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 02, 2021, 05:46:51 PM
Voila...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 04, 2021, 05:43:20 PM
All that's left is just building the seat and tank up and then hopefully there'll be some ribbon-cutting  :)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 05, 2021, 10:55:15 AM
Opps...  forgot I need a fuel filter for the main tap tube - anyone know where I might be able to source one that'll fit - Yambits don't list them as far as I can tell  ???

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And the seat...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 06, 2021, 09:16:28 AM
It appears that originally the tap didn't have a main tube filter - the parts book doesn't show one.  I'll still try to get one that'll fit though, as prevention is always better than cure...  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: [Arrow] on September 06, 2021, 04:07:23 PM
Nice work Steve.

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 15, 2021, 09:22:18 AM
Almost there...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: GR400 on September 15, 2021, 10:32:17 AM
That is lovely. Look forward to seeing it in the metal one day
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto
Post by: stevie747 on September 15, 2021, 11:09:48 AM
Cheers bud, it's good to get another one of these (not that there's probably many matching number UK versions of this model smoking about...) back from the dead.  It's fairly original with just a handful of repro stuff (mirrors, grips, throttle cable, plug caps, top hose, clock facia and seat cover) with pretty much everything else being either restored original, OEM or NOS parts.

I'll prob post a summary set of photo's of the jigsaw going together as it's been quite a long journey  ;D

Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: Foy(notFox) on September 19, 2021, 12:10:11 AM
I've just discovered this thread and not read any of it really but great that you kept the front number-plate.

I have a pre-A RD125, also on M-reg and was never sure how to use the original Yamaha metal plate but white, instead of black. Was thinking could aint it white thne put on the white reflective stuff that they use for number-plates but prob look better just white paint
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: robrd on September 19, 2021, 09:51:39 AM
Superb result, you have done a fantastic job, it is nice to see originality and even better to see another RD back where it belongs. What's next, if you are like me you will be itching to get your hands on another project. Thanks for all your hard work.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on September 20, 2021, 04:55:34 PM
Superb result, you have done a fantastic job, it is nice to see originality and even better to see another RD back where it belongs. What's next, if you are like me you will be itching to get your hands on another project. Thanks for all your hard work.

Cheers, regarding another project, given the amount of spares I've accumulated I might go for another RD.  Probably easier to get a 250 than a 350, and 99% of the parts are the same anyway.

So has anyone got an RD250 A/B rusting away they want to get rid of  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on September 23, 2021, 07:35:57 PM
Getting ready to leave the operating theater  :)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on September 24, 2021, 10:10:22 AM
Time for some Sun...  8)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: robrd on September 24, 2021, 11:11:54 AM
ABSOLUTELY BEUTIFUL! Well done, you are a credit to the RD community. Thankyou.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: pidjones on September 24, 2021, 11:25:47 AM
Looks beautiful in the sun! Now, for some wind therapy.
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on September 24, 2021, 05:40:06 PM
Wow thanks bud, got it out today and did 55 miles on it with absolutely nothing being wrong, it honestly rode like a brand new one, fresh out of the dealers back in the day :o

I've done a few resto's in my time but none of them ran like this 'out of the box', I'm glad I've got a new storage shed as this one's going nowhere, hell, where would I get another  ???

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: twostrokelooney on September 24, 2021, 06:11:21 PM
That is gorgeous, still my favourite RD model (and I do like them all).  8) 8)
I notice you have a UJ number plate, that is Shropshire so local to me. Any idea of the history and what dealer it originally came from?
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on September 24, 2021, 06:25:01 PM
That is gorgeous, still my favourite RD model (and I do like them all).  8) 8)
I notice you have a UJ number plate, that is Shropshire so local to me. Any idea of the history and what dealer it originally came from?

I got it from this forum a few years back, it was in the 'for sale' section for around a grand, if I can remember, from a guy with a garage full of 350's (mostly silver B's) in Essex - Braintree I think.  Betty knows who he is  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: Gr8uncleal on September 24, 2021, 06:30:32 PM
Nice work, Steve.  ;)
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: betty foRD on September 25, 2021, 10:47:58 AM
Well done ! A long slog to get here but we’ll worth it !
Another great bike saved .
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: Rimby_ding_ding on September 25, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
Put simply...she’s gorgeous....look forward to the article in Wellard! Steve
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: GAZZATT2 on September 25, 2021, 02:05:49 PM
Put simply...she’s gorgeous....look forward to the article in Wellard! Steve
where the guy with a shed full of 350b's in Braintree ?
I have heard rumours but not tracked him down yet
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: GAZZATT2 on September 25, 2021, 02:07:45 PM
Getting ready to leave the operating theater  :)

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great job
how do you get the other bike out
or is the new storage  shed elsewhere to the workshop
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: 5port on September 25, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
Great work!  :)
The pic out on the lane could be 1973, the bike looks like an original new! 
Lovely!
 :)

5port
   
Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on September 26, 2021, 11:46:06 AM
Getting ready to leave the operating theater  :)

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great job
how do you get the other bike out
or is the new storage  shed elsewhere to the workshop

Go back to page 12 and the new shed is there - built next to the workshop, space for a few more...

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By the way the baby one is this...

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on October 04, 2021, 12:54:20 PM
As mentioned I'll post some more pics as a build summary, given it's taken 6 years for this resto to get finished.  In real terms, it probably took about a year if it was all done in one go - it was on the back burner most of the time due to building a couple of H2's in parallel plus my other 350 aka 'Razor Light' 

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Someone mentioned this project could go into a Well a'RD (if it still exists...) feature, but I'm not sure what more I could add to what's already been said in this Diary.  If it's wanted then whoever manages the features are welcome to use this story by cutting/pasting whatever's necessary.  ;)

Anyway, a few more pics I found on the cutting room floor...

This was the first time I'd rebuilt an RD engine myself, the previous one was built by an old buddy who had his own engine building business but was too busy to do this one.  It turned out to be a blessing in disguise given how it's ended up  :)

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When doing a resto, it's best to get the paint and chrome out as fast as possible as they normally take the longest and cost the most.  The only way to make the bike look good is to get all the chrome redone, even if you've got a few bits that look OK, coz when you put it all back together the bits that you thought would be OK will now look crap beside the new stuff  ;)

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Frame etc. sent off for powder coating

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Paint and chrome all back, along with an empty piggy bank...  ::)

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I was lucky to have an original wiring loom in pretty good nick and so just had to refurb the switches, horn etc. and everything was good to go.

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Now the build started when some very dear boxes arrived from Fowlers and CMSNL  :o

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Then it's just a case of putting together a bloody big jigsaw puzzle with the help of a factory parts book (although some of the layout diagrams are not correct) and this forum  ;D

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Wheels rebuilt with new seals and bearings (as were all the others on the bike) and fitted with the 'period type' tyres from Yambits

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Spanners and (JIS) screwdrivers at the ready - lets go  :)

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The build pics are already on previous pages, and 6 years later this matching numbers little baby is back alive  8)

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Title: Re: UK Pre A 350 'box of bits' Resto (DONE)
Post by: stevie747 on October 05, 2021, 05:42:12 PM
Great work!  :)
The pic out on the lane could be 1973, the bike looks like an original new! 
Lovely!
 :)

5port
 

It's probably the front tyre that that puts the pic back in time  :D