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Offline joolsuk

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No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« on: August 13, 2022, 03:49:34 PM »
Help ....
I have an issue which I don't know when it started.

All elecs work fine bar headlight.
Lights on switch - parking light only comes on,
nothing from main headlight.
Full beam switch - nothing.
pass switch - headlight bulb lights up.

Now it is not the bulb as bought new.

Now I am red green colour blind so it is
impossible really for me to strip out and redo
connections in that mass of wires in the headlight.
A shame as I have all the tools to make new connections.

Can anyone who is near assist?
Anyone know a good motorcycle garage near
Bridgwater ?

A mad ask this I know but thought I'd try.
Thus damned headligh
t mass is the only thing
I can't really tackle.

I expect to be fully lambasted for this mad request ....
1977 RD250D (mechanical restore)
1980 GS550E
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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2022, 08:20:45 PM »
Do you belong to the VJMC there are some good lads in the Taunton and Bridgwater section 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/696310450574842
somerset classic motorcycles maybe

https://www.facebook.com/somersetclassicmotorcycles/
Alpha classic motorcyles Highbridge

https://www.facebook.com/alphaclassicmotorcycles/



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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2022, 08:32:11 PM »
Will check out. thanks !

I have wired in a trailer to  car ... by using logic and
a color app but the headlight in my RD is so packed of wires
even though I could make all new perfect bullet connections
I can never logically sort that mass of wires even with
te diagrams.

This one is a dumb ass can't do full stop and sickenly
annoying.

I'll try those guys .....
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1980 GSX250E (mechanical restore)
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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2022, 10:28:50 PM »
Sorry Jools
You were playing with the Kill switch that also contains the lights on/off switch. I would check that first, as any one of those 3 wires loose will give the symptoms you describe. Alternately the switch itself. Pass and parking lights are powered via the ignition switch which explains why they would be unaffected if its the RH on/off switch. Lot easier to check that out first before going into rats nest .
You were talking of a pattern replacement. Did that happen.
Most blokes have level of colour blindness. Doesn't affect women (except a rare few but they only see monochrome), which is why they are better at choosing and matching paint. Myself problem with shades blue/green. Need very powerful light to help distinguish but have called on daughter before now  ::)
Best of luck

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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2022, 02:32:49 PM »
Blown fuse?
The flash still works with the fuse blown.

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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2022, 02:45:40 PM »
Now good ideas.

will check on off light switch as I was indeed playing with that.
and
had not tested lights after.
Good point !!!

fuses ... so embarrassed but yes I'll check.
I have to recall the fuses ..... on te Rd as am in suzuki mindset presently.

thanks for help. Will be on it this eve.
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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2022, 08:32:52 PM »
Checked fuses OK
Checked rh off / on light switch and connections
in headlight. OK but clearly a birdsnest.

there are 5 wires coming from that cluster.
yes I am sure 3 from that light switch
and the 2 from kill switch which are now joined
together.
all this go into some wires in headlight firmly.

could it be the joining of kill switch h wires?

I can go no further with it due to terrible
birdsnest of wires in headlight and inability
to do switch tests.i can only use logic.

bloody annoying.
(I once met a Vietnam veteran who said to me in conversation
that I would not wimp out of the draft .... as they wanted
people like me who could see what others could not
see in jungle - people hiding. I told him I wouldn't wimp
out of the draft but I still can't find lost tennis balls I'm
the hedge. kinda killed the conversation "
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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2022, 09:02:03 PM »
I used to invite the neighbours around for a cuppa and cake when the kids had lost their tennis balls , their jack russell used to hunt them out for us ,
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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2022, 12:15:34 AM »
Checked fuses OK
Checked rh off / on light switch and connections
in headlight. OK but clearly a birdsnest.

there are 5 wires coming from that cluster.
yes I am sure 3 from that light switch
and the 2 from kill switch which are now joined
together.
all this go into some wires in headlight firmly.

could it be the joining of kill switch h wires?

I can go no further with it due to terrible
birdsnest of wires in headlight and inability
to do switch tests.i can only use logic.

bloody annoying.
(I once met a Vietnam veteran who said to me in conversation
that I would not wimp out of the draft .... as they wanted
people like me who could see what others could not
see in jungle - people hiding. I told him I wouldn't wimp
out of the draft but I still can't find lost tennis balls I'm
the hedge. kinda killed the conversation "

Shame you didn't get result with RH switch. You did right to follow the 5 wires back, incase you had pulled the cable along the handlebar and separated the bullet connectors.
Linking the kill switch wire should not relate to your problem.
Now similarly check the LH switch high/low, again following back to rats nest in same way, as switches are interlinked in headlight. I hate taking headlight off, its areal pig to refit  >:(
After that, would be to stick multimeter on continuity to check the switches themselves. But if you are replacing RH switch then maybe you can skip this. Other is to check each wire from switches to joint in headlight individually again with continuity to verify no breaks.
Patience and you will get there.
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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2022, 08:38:44 AM »
The following suggestion might be too much of a faff, so I would understand if you put it in the "stupid idea" bin!  :o ;) :D

You could open up the headlight, disconnect all wires, remove the bucket and then reconnect the wires. This will enable you to do a dry run, with so much more light and space available. Hopefully it should highlight where your issue is and maybe show up any bare wires and/or poor connections that might cause problems in the future. You could ask someone to help with the colours that you have issues with and maybe put a small label on them, to help with future id.

Once you're happy, disconnect the wires, fit the headlight bucket, reconnect the wires and button the whole thing up.
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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2022, 12:27:57 PM »
Tho following suggestion might be too much of a faff, so I would understand if you put it in the "stupid idea" bin!  :o ;) :D

You could open up the headlight, disconnect all wires, remove the bucket and then reconnect the wires. This will enable you to do a dry run, with so much more light and space available. Hopefully it should highlight where your issue is and maybe show up any bare wires and/or poor connections that might cause problems in the future. You could ask someone to help with the colours that you have issues with and maybe put a small label on them, to help with future id.

Once you're happy, disconnect the wires, fit the headlight bucket, reconnect the wires and button the whole thing up.

Excellent idea, but once its working correctly, mark all the terminals, then disconnect and fit the headlight.
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Offline joolsuk

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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2022, 06:18:18 PM »
Guys

no suggestion In this case is too mad.
let me digest as a night's sleep has given me new vigour
for a self fix.

I almost need to do multimeter tests.
Of course in that birds nest hard but I might read up
on how to do 12v drip tests to check switch into
the birds nest.
1977 RD250D (mechanical restore)
1980 GS550E
1982 GPZ750R1 (Restore)
1980 GSX250E (mechanical restore)
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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2022, 08:08:13 AM »
just watched video on resistance continuity testing
so now armed to test these switches.
Will try with birds nest in situ first if I can.

I have one of those label machines so if I get no where
I will have to remove bowl and label as I remove
wires as I go.
I have the colour grap app on phone so I'll use
a computer for my eyes.

I feel as if the depth of despair will be reached but one
must try and the worst case I will know for sure the switch
works as wires will be easily accessible
1977 RD250D (mechanical restore)
1980 GS550E
1982 GPZ750R1 (Restore)
1980 GSX250E (mechanical restore)
2002 Stihl FS55 Strimmer (mechanical restore)

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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2022, 10:08:56 AM »
Glad you got your mojo up.
If you can do outside, the natural daylight I find helps loads. Yellow fluorescents confuse matters. Have you got link to that Colour app thing, might find that of use myself. Real pain that Yamaha used green, dark green, then brown and dark brown. The two dark colours, especially after time change so they look black to me  :(
I installed daylight tubes in my garage which means walking outside, then in, eyes don't need to adjust. Even my portable battery powered floodlight is daylight.

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Re: No front headlight bar when pressing pass
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2022, 01:31:37 PM »
Here goes .. off into the garage ...

Below is the colour app. Enabled me to wire in a trailer and
tow bar.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.loomatix.colorgrab

1977 RD250D (mechanical restore)
1980 GS550E
1982 GPZ750R1 (Restore)
1980 GSX250E (mechanical restore)
2002 Stihl FS55 Strimmer (mechanical restore)