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Offline davecumbria

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« on: January 29, 2011, 05:51:18 PM »
Here is a step by step guide to lacing a spoked wheel its no mystery and once you"ve done one you will wonder why you never tried it yourself





The components, Hub, rim spoke set



There are two types of spokes in the kit, inner and outer. These can be identified by the amount of bend on the end of the spoke



1) The Inner Spoke







2) The Outer Spoke







Lacing the inner spokes



Thread the inner spokes through from the outside of the hub using alternate holes on the side you are threading



you will see that the holes on the other side of the hub are slightly offset so once you have completed one side, flip the hub over and thread the other side as before





3) the inner spokes in place





Lacing the spokes



Place the hub on the bench and swing the upper spokes in the opposite direction to the lower. I tend to start at the hole for the tyre valve as you can use another wheel as the reference as to which way the first spoke should "swing"



4)The first Spoke







working away from the first spoke, the next spoke on the same side should lace into the fourth hole from the first



The opposite side of the hub"s spokes should "swing" in the opposite direction and lace into the hole next to the opposite side spoke. You can check that you are lacing the correct hole by checking the direction of the blister on the rim



5) Lacing the pairs







once you have placed a few spokes in position, th nipples can be finger tightened onto each spoke as it is placed in the rim (I usually leave about 5mm of thread showing on each spoke)



Working round the hub swinging each spoke into place you should notice that each one is getting slightly tighter to fit and I"d reccomend lacing the last 10 in before fitting their nipples.



You should also notice that the rim is lifting off the bench and its a good idea to have a couple of cutting boards or books to elevate the rim off the bench



6) Inner spokes fitted





Once all the Inners are fitted, the spokes can be taken to finger tight.





Lacing the Outer Spokes



The outer spokes can then be threaded through the hub outwards from the opposite side and left to hang



7) Outer spokes threaded through









8) Outer spokes in place







Once all the outer spokes are threaded on one side (you can do one side at a time) they swing in the opposite direction to the spokes on the side you are working on. It is obvious which hole they go to as ther should be only one set pointing the correct way, these can be laces and nipples fitted one by one



9) Lacing Outer spokes





The spokes for the opposite outer can now be threaded through the hub from the opposite side and laced ito the last set of holes



10) Second outer spoke Set







11) Lacing the second Outer set







once all of the outer spokes are fitted the nipples can be taken to finger tight. The last job is to run your fingers round the spokes to make sure none are loose.



12 Completed Wheel









Trueing the wheel will be covered in the next gripping instalment!!
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2011, 08:26:42 PM »
 
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 03:22:18 PM »
nice one davecumbria

just in time for my attempt at building my own

cheer

Tony


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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2011, 03:14:25 PM »
Dave

What a great post.

You say"spoke set" at the start of this post. This implies that they can be bought to suit a particular wheel set up? If so, where can I get them them to suit my RD350(A)? Stainless or zinced would do.

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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 03:42:09 PM »
If you get Yamaha spokes they come as either a complete set of 38 or if you buy the inners and outers seperately they come as a pack of 10 so you will need 2 packs of inners and 2 packs of outers



Now as I"ve used genuine Yamaha spokes they are specific for that wheel and are the corect length. By usng the parts book you will be able to order them by part number off Yamaha (and may still be available)



If they are NLA you will have to send a sample of the inner and outer spokes to an aftermarket supplier, a lot of them supply the spokes in stainless steel so you wont have to worry about them going rusty again!
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 02:17:38 PM »
Quality thread!

Dave is there a " welding Cast ally" thread somewhere?

Save asking and using up band width
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 04:24:19 PM »
 
Quote from: davecumbria
If you get Yamaha spokes they come as either a complete set of 38 or if you buy the inners and outers seperately they come as a pack of 10 so you will need 2 packs of inners and 2 packs of outers



Now as I"ve used genuine Yamaha spokes they are specific for that wheel and are the corect length. By usng the parts book you will be able to order them by part number off Yamaha (and may still be available)



If they are NLA you will have to send a sample of the inner and outer spokes to an aftermarket supplier, a lot of them supply the spokes in stainless steel so you wont have to worry about them going rusty again!




Cheers for that Dave, can"t wait to have a go.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 07:02:19 AM »
Lovely piece of work    



Can I ask where you got the rim?



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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 02:13:00 AM »
Bookmarking this one for sure! Great job!

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2011, 03:35:57 PM »
The rims are still available from Yamaha
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 06:37:07 PM »
now do the sequel, aligning and balancing!
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 04:01:11 AM »
I"m thinking of doing my wheels can I ask where you get your rims and spokes from?
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 09:49:29 AM »
Preload:

I was digging around looking for my RD parts yesterday. I found a set of 36 spokes and nipples for the back wheel. The part number is 278-25304-00. Oh it is for my RD350B.

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 09:58:34 AM »
Thanks for the offer Triode but, I"m after S/S spokes.



I"m going to be having a go on Tuesday I"ll try and remember to take a few photo"s.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 10:21:12 AM »
Hi Preload:

Photos are a start but you really need to measure your spoke diameter and length. My stock rear spokes measure 5 15/16" from inside the bend to the end.  One hint is that you want to make sure that the spoke nipples screw fully into nipples flush. Be  sure to get brass nipples.