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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - nearly...)
« Reply #315 on: March 19, 2019, 08:02:41 AM »
Hi Foy,  Yes, the wrong part in the bag/box is fairly common and we should all be aware, particularly sellers IMO.  Sometimes, it is even tricky to be sure about parts at sales where you can see the bit. I am interested in your tale of the 525 chain and, it will be interesting to see the sprocket when you get it and, the finished set-up on the bike.  Cheers

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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - at last)
« Reply #316 on: March 29, 2019, 07:51:32 PM »
Thanks 5port

Well I've finally got the sprocket after returning the previous one at just under £8 (Hermes International) and the seller sent the new one at his cost.

As you can see the packet is exact same but the sprocket is clearly different in middle and also has a raised centre, or more accurately a thinned outer.

If it's of any interest the raised part, which I guess is the width for 530 chain, is 8.75mm and the thinner part is 7.15mm



1A0-17461-70 #2




compare splines and stepped surface with previous one sent




both sprockets had corrosion on them despite being kept in original (waxy?) paper bags



small detail but the 17 digits are quite stylised

   

So what's next on the agenda?

  • repair oil-pump cable thread on RHS casing or use stand-in casing (which means robbing original pump/drive etc from damaged casing)
  • persevere with repairs to dented (and now - cut) oil-tank or use stand-in (which means having to buy some Brigade Blue candy)
  • take barrels etc of again to glaze-bust bores as new rings were fitted or just leave it be and hope for best
  • dismantle front wheel to clean-up spokes or use NOS set or just leave as is

So there's not really a lot to do before I have no excuse to fire her up. One thing that is bothering me slightly tho is that I saw on a Facebook page that DVLA may reject a NOVA ref if it was issued some time ago. I got mine about 15 months back so could be getting near the 2 year mark by time I submit V55. Hopefully don't need to go back thru all that again. Am thinking perhaps it applies more in cases where the NOVA ref was obtained by someone else then the project was sold-on again without being registered 
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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - at last)
« Reply #317 on: March 30, 2019, 07:59:16 AM »
That's very spooky, in a spooky kind of way!

Sad man that I am, I'm watching the repeats of Bergerac. I love watching these old programmes just to see the old cars and bikes in the background.

Anyways up, the episode the other day had a couple of Honda Super Dreams in the background and I just wondered to myself if and how many RDs found their way on to Jersey. Then, lo and behold, we have a Jersey reg bike at the start of this thread (I am a new member and so wouldn't have seen it previously).
Yam RD200DX (Gr8auntiepat's)
Yam FZX700 Fazer
Yam RD400 bitsa
Yam RD350B rough
Yam RT2 almost finished
Yam DT360A almost finished
Suzi GT550J just started
Suzi 1250 Bandit regular rider
Yam RD125B (probably!) now being reassembled
Yam AS3 in boxes

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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - at last)
« Reply #318 on: March 30, 2019, 10:39:41 AM »
Yes, I have seen a few of the Yamaha sprockets with extra machining of the same blank like that for narrower chains.  I think the parts lists now are updated to the 530, certainly, as I recall, the rears are all the 530 size as listed?  Cheers

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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - at last)
« Reply #319 on: March 31, 2019, 02:49:59 PM »
That's very spooky, in a spooky kind of way!

Sad man that I am, I'm watching the repeats of Bergerac. I love watching these old programmes just to see the old cars and bikes in the background.

Anyways up, the episode the other day had a couple of Honda Super Dreams in the background and I just wondered to myself if and how many RDs found their way on to Jersey. Then, lo and behold, we have a Jersey reg bike at the start of this thread (I am a new member and so wouldn't have seen it previously).

I luv a bit of Bergerac, on a rare afternoon off, too Gr8uncleal. I have to admit it's the women I like in it lol.

Anyway - re bikes. There were  a few RDs in the small area I lived. Snowhill carpark there was always an immaculate silver 250C there and in a nearby garden there was a yellow D model. I don't have any stats but there were a lot of bikes on the island from what I remember
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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - at last)
« Reply #320 on: March 31, 2019, 02:58:14 PM »
Were there many dealers on the island and were all of the main marques covered?
Yam RD200DX (Gr8auntiepat's)
Yam FZX700 Fazer
Yam RD400 bitsa
Yam RD350B rough
Yam RT2 almost finished
Yam DT360A almost finished
Suzi GT550J just started
Suzi 1250 Bandit regular rider
Yam RD125B (probably!) now being reassembled
Yam AS3 in boxes

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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - at last)
« Reply #321 on: April 01, 2019, 12:36:51 AM »
Were there many dealers on the island and were all of the main marques covered?

I'm not sure tbh. I lived in St Helier which was the most 'modern' part of the island and I remember a small shop that sold a mixture of 2nd hand machine (BSA Bantam, Suzuki 250 of late 70s) and I think they could order parts for you from mainland but weren't that helpful so I just got my bits from UK (Rafferty Newman etc). There was also a motorcycle repair place near La Route De Forte and it seemed to be run by a youngish guy with a bunch of hangers-on who didn't want to help unless you were in his gang. I remember walking up with the rectifier from my 250C to get it checked and he told me what to do as he locked up and ran of with his pals for the weekend.

I think that was the start of my 'if you want something done do it yourself' ethos  :-\ 
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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - at last)
« Reply #322 on: April 01, 2019, 01:00:21 AM »
Yes, I have seen a few of the Yamaha sprockets with extra machining of the same blank like that for narrower chains.  I think the parts lists now are updated to the 530, certainly, as I recall, the rears are all the 530 size as listed?  Cheers

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I'm not sure about updates to the parts lists 5port but am pretty sure all aftermarket kits for the 250 are 530. I have NOS 1A0 rear sprocket (same as the one that was on my bike) and they're both 525.

There is a bit of an anomally in the 250C parts list as it shows the rear sprocket part number as 360 25440 20 but 1A0 ones definitely exist. This suggests that the 1A0 ones came in after the 250C was first released and that whatever machine the 360 sprocket was originally used on was also 525 chain
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Re: RD250C rebuild (NOS 1A0 front sprocket - at last)
« Reply #323 on: April 01, 2019, 09:12:10 AM »
Were there many dealers on the island and were all of the main marques covered?

I'm not sure tbh. I lived in St Helier which was the most 'modern' part of the island and I remember a small shop that sold a mixture of 2nd hand machine (BSA Bantam, Suzuki 250 of late 70s) and I think they could order parts for you from mainland but weren't that helpful so I just got my bits from UK (Rafferty Newman etc). There was also a motorcycle repair place near La Route De Forte and it seemed to be run by a youngish guy with a bunch of hangers-on who didn't want to help unless you were in his gang. I remember walking up with the rectifier from my 250C to get it checked and he told me what to do as he locked up and ran of with his pals for the weekend.

I think that was the start of my 'if you want something done do it yourself' ethos  :-\

Rafferty Newman - now there's a blast from the past! Brand new RD parts at bargain basement prices. I used them an awful lot for my first RD restos in the mid eighties.
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Yam FZX700 Fazer
Yam RD400 bitsa
Yam RD350B rough
Yam RT2 almost finished
Yam DT360A almost finished
Suzi GT550J just started
Suzi 1250 Bandit regular rider
Yam RD125B (probably!) now being reassembled
Yam AS3 in boxes

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Re: RD250C rebuild (RH Motorrlacke Brigade Blue ordered)
« Reply #324 on: April 15, 2020, 10:07:42 PM »
A very slim excuse for a post on this thread but if things go to plan could be a major step in the rebuild.

What am I on about? Well anyone with a very good memory may remember that my original oil-tank is damaged and I have a used one which I painted a long time ago in silver (for pre-candy basecoat) and I also have a NOS decal for it. So all I needed was a good match for Brigade Blue.

Well the only one I could see was from RH Safonav or whatever they are called but it's expensive and seems to be a 2K product (isocyanates) if you buy a can, as opposed to a spraycan.

Well I've got all the gear for 2K now and was gearing-up to finally buy the stuff and when I looked-in on the listing was dismayed to see it was NLA. I went into a panic Googling all possible options and despite having practically zero in the bank immediately bought some (about £66 for 375ml) like it was the last one on earth.

I'm pretty sure I'll get an email in a few days saying that colour is NLA but hopefully not. Why do I say that? Well afaik this stuff all comes from same place, no matter who is selling it on Ebay etc, and it's mixed at point of sale rather than being available off the shelf and on their 2020 price list (PDF on Google) it doesn't show apart from spray cans so it's not looking good.

Anyway if it does come I'll post a full report on it  ;)

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Re: RD250C rebuild (RH Motorrlacke Brigade Blue ordered)
« Reply #325 on: April 15, 2020, 10:12:45 PM »
Wow that is expensive!!!!
Are you able to work at the moment?

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Re: RD250C rebuild (RH Motorrlacke Brigade Blue ordered)
« Reply #326 on: April 15, 2020, 11:33:18 PM »
I was wondering if you could still work. I assume as long as your suppliers are open you can continue to earn a crust, although it sounds like you are giving that customer a huge discount. I hope you can continue to get work, it sounds like you will need to do so whilst buying expensive paint

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Re: RD250C rebuild (RH Motorrlacke Brigade Blue ordered)
« Reply #327 on: April 15, 2020, 11:43:14 PM »
Yes. Surprisingly can still get everything I need. Took over a week for some screws to arrive from B&Q and been waiting about same length of time on last batch of gutter parts.

Can't really charge the guy until job completed but he has paid for the materials at least.

Who knows mb he will want to pay me for every day. It's happened before when I've not charged full amount. I guess ppl appreciate when you do a good job even if it takes a little longer.

For example his rear extension was in the way of the drainpipe running straight up from drain and suggested I take a large saw to it but I thought a neater finish would be a better route and spent nearly a day cutting a relief for it



   
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Re: RD250C rebuild (RH Motorrlacke Brigade Blue received)
« Reply #328 on: April 29, 2020, 07:47:49 PM »
Well the paint arrived today and strangely enough I also got paid for the job mentioned above. Finished it on Saturday (10 days I was there!) and no activity in bank despite him saying on Saturday it would be no problem etc. Was getting worried and sent him a little reminder email last night and that's the money paid now.

Anyway am really pleased with the paint as it's exactly what I expected. As I've said before been looking at this paint for a looong time but, being German, I couldn't fully understand the listing(s) and once emailed them to ask if the candy coat was 2K. On a lot of paint jobs only the clear is 2K. Anyway I didn't get a reply so was a bit unsure.

However when it arrived today there was a little bottle of hardener with it so that's my question answered. They don't show this in their listings which is a bit strange imo.

While we're here, and at the risk of being told am clueless, I will say that Yamaha didn't put clear over their candy colours. Well not in my experience anyway... when removing the paint with stripper you can clearly see the colour coat bubbling whereas on a later (RD125A) metallic-painted part you could see the clear bubbling up.

I think they perhaps always used clear on the petrol tanks but am not sure about this.

Anyway I also have 2K clear that I can put on top if needed.


all the way from Germany - at last




60.99 Euros all in. 2 items?




small bottle is hardener as the candy paint is 2K 



the money-shot


I haven't opened it to take a peek at the colour so am afraid I still can't say if it's a good match. Time will tell...
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